And the Keyes study was Eight Nations, not just Nations. (He took datak from 22 nations, found that only eight supported his agenda, and threw all the others out without being honest.)

@Nicole: “We don’t have claws to hunt or short digestive systems. Hunting isn’t even in our insincts!” As soon as you wrote that, I knew you have not been as well informed as you believe. I’ve seen that illogical crapola on vegan sites. (And my comment about learning it from the internet was a joke.)

THE REASON WE DON’T HAVE CLAWS IS THAT WE HAVE BRAINS!!!!! We figured out how to make tools to kill animals. And how did we get those big brains? By eating cooked meat. Otherwise, we’d have bellies like gorillas. See The Expensive Tissue Hypothesis. (Go ahead, it’s on the internet.)

Many would and could debate that hunting still isn’t in our instincts. To be honest, that should include fishing.

I’ll only refute one other point. The China Study is hogwash. Denise Minger, a statistician rips the data manipulation to shreds: http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ Dr. Campbell had a hypothesis, went looking for supporting data, selected what he wanted, misrepresented what didn’t support him, and conned millions into thinking that a vegetarian/vegan diet is best for us obvious omnivores.

Like Ancel Keyes and his totally dishonest Nations Study that led to the fear of cholesterol, Son of Keyes has done similar with his book. Fooling the public.

No baby ever died from carnivore/omnivore mother’s milk, have they? Big clue there!

I’ll be honest. I’m grateful for CAFO meat because of my low income. But if our meats were raised humanely, and I had to pay more, well, then, I’d have to be OK with it. But all the vegans in the world won’t change our horrible meat production by boycotting meat. The changes will have to come from the inside.

Berries and nuts? Gimme a you know what break! Seasonal foods. Nuts being unpalatable and even toxi without cooking. Ditto legumes. There’s a reason the Indians considered acorns food of last resort. Berries? You mean the tiny, bitter, calorie poor little things that existed before we bread them to be big and sweet?

Nicole, what do you base your hunting period claims on? Wait! I know! You read it on the internet! There’s a rich lode of data available from early explorers writing about hunter-gatherer societies long gone, to those that are still extant. And you may not want to believe a non-believer, but what you describe is BS. The largest portions of calories and protein in H-G societies have always come from animal sources. And, did you consider that IF they hunted only every three days, it was because the food was satiating, and probably that was the time limit before the meat went bad in a warm climate?

If there was any reasonably consistent vegetable energy source for early humans, it was starch tubers. No, not potatoes or sweet potatoes, late arrivals. Things like arrow root, widely disseminated, cannis, and cat tail roots. There is a reason we produce alpha-amylase, to break down starches to glucose.

I have a masters degree in theology, and I can assure you that I can recognize religion in its many forms very easily.

Veganism is a religion. No God required, just blind obedience to others following blind obedience.

BTW, I used to drive past the White Wave tofu factory (factory farming?) frequently in Boulder, Co. What a stench! I’m surprised they were allowed to pollute like that.